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Boondoggle Train

A fun dialogue about the train to nowhere.

A fictional dialogue for you.

“Daddy,” asked a little girl, “What’s a boondoggle?” Normally I would give a long-winded and verbose definition to impress my kids. This time I had an answer right from the papers and Sacramento.

“A boondoggle is a fast train that goes nowhere. People do not want it because it costs too much, delivers too little, depends on the pipe dream of high ridership, and spends money that the state does not have. If you live in Los Angeles and want to go to San Francisco, you have to drive several hours to get to the train, pay to park your car, speed through farm land, and then reach a yet undetermined destination where you rent a car and drive a couple of hours to get to San Francisco”. (If you thought the sentence was long wait until you take the ride.)

“Daddy,” the child continued, “Who would ever want to do that?”

 “No one that I know and no one who has any sense. From what I understand, most of the taxpayers don’t want it, either,” I answered.

 “Are you a taxpayer, daddy?” she asked. 

“Regretfully I am, since I will be stuck with the bill even though I will never ride the boondoggle,” I sighed.

“Daddy, who does want the boondoggle train?” (Talk about picking the low-hanging fruit.) 

“Well, the main person is a man named Jerry Brown,” I responded. 

“What does he do for a living?” she wanted to know. 

“He is our Democratic governor,” I muttered. 

“Doesn’t he know what a boondoggle is?” she queried. 

“Well, I would certainly think so but from his actions I doubt his mental and business acumen,” I responded. 

“What is an ‘ack-oh-man’?” she wanted to know.

 “Acumen is just a big word that means being smart,” I responded.

“Shouldn’t the governor be smart enough not to want to make us build a boondoggle train?” she probed. At this point the thoughtful father gave up because he had no answers. 

As we all know, one cannot avoid answering a child's question by saying nothing. So after a few seconds the little girl chimes in again, “Daddy, you still did not answer me. Why would anyone want to build a boondoggle train?” she implored. 

I cannot answer the question so I appeal to the readers. Can you answer the little girl? Surely somewhere, somehow, someplace there must be a RATIONAL answer. 

Signed,

Mark Meuser is running for California State Senate, District 7

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Tom July 10, 2012 at 06:20 pm
To me it is not so much about recession. These projects take a long time and waiting for the perfect time is not what my complaint is. The inflated price tag feels like classic bait and switch to me and that rubs me the wrong way.
As far as where we should spend: I would say expand BART and local RAIL. Our system could work much better for more people. The DC subway system is quite useful and easy to use. I know the bay is not the same as DC but it can be done and should have been years ago. If HS rail could commute me to near OC airport from Oakland or San Jose Airport for a reasonable cost to me and the taxpayer I would be all for it. I think this project falls short from what I can see but I am not a rail expert.
Andrew L. July 10, 2012 at 06:27 pm
Not at all -- the argument is that if we had not overspent so foolishly on unnecessary foreign adventures, we would now have the money for HSR and any number of worthwhile domestic infrastructure products, rather than having to argue bitterly amongst one another as we are here and elsewhere for the scraps left over after the federal government is done building schools, roads, and other nice things in foreign countries.
Eric Muetterties July 10, 2012 at 06:35 pm
Everyone should read "Atlas Shrugged", but it is getting hard to find. Powerful and eye-opening to read right now. We are quickly heading in the same direction.
When you have a dependant class that exceedes the productive portion of society then it becomes a one way street toward the type of world Ayn Rand told of in that novel. The majority will never understand till all is destroyed. That is why our government was formed as a republican (no caps) form of democracy. The founders understood that you have to protect the minority, like farmers, etc. who are important, but would not have a voice in a pure democracy. Sad, but I find very few folks understand how our form of government was originally intended to work and why.
JoAnne July 10, 2012 at 06:40 pm
Public transportation may never fiscally pay for itself, however, the benefits of greater access to jobs and educational opportunities; improved air quality; etc. may provide quality of life improvements that are worth the cost.
It is very important to differentiate between being against expenditures for public transit and being against HSR (especially, as it has evolved going through the legislature). It also needs to be recognized that providing bus service in Alameda, improving and extending the aging BART system, etc. creates important services and needed jobs . After reading this blog about the HSR legislation recently passed, the question needs to be not only about the quality of the investment, but what is being bought! http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/
Renae Wilber July 10, 2012 at 06:58 pm
I definitely agree Tom, if the cost is too inflated to offset the benefit, then no time is a good time. I also agree about bait and switches. I don't care if it's a mere oil change I'm going in for, the minute I get the bait and switch, any goodwill is lost on me.
Tom July 10, 2012 at 07:23 pm
Andrew is quite right to point out wasted money and lives over Iraq. I have no disagreement with him here. However it is done while this project is not (although the pull out and cost is not complete). We can still avert a fiscal mistake here on the issue at hand. At some point we must stop wasting taxpayer money and start making good investments in our future. I do understand that some proponents think that is exactly what we are doing here and I respect but disagree with that opinion.
Rich Tanner July 10, 2012 at 09:02 pm
must we be reminded that the GG Bridge, Bay Bridge, Hoover Dam and many other extremely large (especially for the times) infrastructure projects throughout this great land were built during The Depression?
Rich Tanner July 10, 2012 at 09:13 pm
and please stop with all the anecdotal evidence many are providing about how they "know people who go up and down the state all the time and they told me they'd never use it". That's not how this stuff works folks. You all think this was concocted just to look cool or something? No, it is necessary moving forward to have viable automobile, airline, ferry and high speed and local rail/subway systems. We cannot rely on just two of them. As I wrote yesterday, there are 5,000 commercial jets in the skies over American at any given moment and 87,000 on average each day. This number is growing and our air traffic controllers (the humans and the software systems) know it is unsustainable. The Bay Area and LA each have three very busy airports already. And folks, there A LOT of people who will be using this system. There are no guarantees in life, but I think this is a bet worth making. Plus it actually will create jobs.
Regular Guy July 10, 2012 at 09:27 pm
Rich, the fact that people use one form of transportation does not guarantee that a different form of transportation will succeed. For example, ferry service from the East Bay to SF has had very limited success despite congestion on the bridge. Your transit alternative needs to be superior, not merely different.
Tom July 10, 2012 at 09:40 pm
Yes, indeed the projects listed were good moves, do doubt about it. I dont really take so much issue with the timing as the bait and switch price tag. Can anyone speak to that? I am aware projections are imperfect BUT there should be some percentage that is allowed for revision in a given time otherwise why give any budget?
To Rich, I will commute tomorrow from OAK to SNA as I do most weeks so this story is close to me heart as a targeted commuter and taxpayer.
Paul L Wilson July 10, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I love free money dreamers and their dreams! Oh just put the whole thing on my Tax Credit Card some fool will pay for all of this. Maybe China, their loaning money.
John Harrington July 10, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Rich, lets get the facts straight. The report you are obtaining the numbers from says there could be up to 5,000 planes in the skies at any given moment. That includes prop planes, not just jets. That includes military aircraft and non-airline aircraft (FED-EX, UPS, etc.). And, most important, this would be aircraft not in the SF-LA corridor. This would be aircraft going to/from Hawaii or to/from Guam as well as international flights entering and exiting U.S. airspace. The number of passenger carrying aircraft doing SF-LA-SF is not that much of the total.
John Harrington July 10, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Not sure how the air transport system is a handout to airlines. Airlines (via their passengers) pay fees and taxes that support the system. Airlines and their passengers pay 9-11 fees to fund the TSA, they pay fees to support the FAA and don't forget that they pay fuel tax and sales tax on that fuel. I can't say that it is completely 100%, could be, but don't have those numbers. What I do know is that it is not a handout or free ride.
Tom July 11, 2012 at 01:55 pm
Just in case anyone missed this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0711-san-bernardino-20120711,0,5646419.story You will notice a common denominator in all of these cases: The city's fiscal crisis has been years in the making, compounded by the nation's crushing recession and exacerbated by escalating pension costs, lucrative labor agreements, Sacramento's raid on redevelopment funds and a city reserve that is tapped out, officials said. Our state is in the same situation and until we have major fiscal policy reform we will continue the current trend. This is only simple logic folks but the most powerful political force in the state does NOT wish to discuss this. The only good news is soon there will be no choice.
c5 July 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm
my suggestion...
vote no on all new taxes and consider voting against all incumbents running this november (state and local level). the tax measure is disastrous policy for the state and will clearly make things worse, not better. we have to get spending and entitlements under control, and the evidence from abroad and now within this state is accumulating that time is running out. we already impose one of the highest tax burdens (and most progressive) on the beleaguered taxpayers of this state and look at the horrible fiscal situation we continue to find ourselves in.
Tom July 12, 2012 at 01:00 pm
Here is something the so called news outlets will NOT report on:
http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43373-06-11-HouseholdIncomeandFedTaxes.pdf The CBO said that in both 2008 and 2009, the highest-earning 20 percent of taxpayers paid 94 percent of the total income tax burden – up from 86 percent in 2007, and 81 percent before the 2001 tax cuts. I
Steve Cohn July 12, 2012 at 01:19 pm
I did not look at all of the tables in the cited CBO report but the Page One graph indicates that the top 20% pay 69% of the total income tax, not 94%. Still 69% paid by 20% is significant. But this top 20% also earned 50% of the total income. So those who earn most of the income pay most of the income taxes - not completely unreasonable. And, on average, those top-20 earn four times what the lower 80 earn. On page 11 of this report it shows that while the top-20 earn 50% of the total pre-tax income, they also take home 48% of the total after tax income; again, four times what the average lower-80 take home. I do not know what this has to do with high-speed rail transportation but I don't think people should be weeping for the top-20 which includes most of us.
c5 July 12, 2012 at 01:47 pm
conflicting stats, but the stats i have seen point to the top 10% paying about 70% of federal personal income tax, with the bottom half paying about zero on average (ok, about 1%)....top 1% pay about 30% or thereabouts. similar looking in california.
what does this have to do with hsr? well, since the project will most likely fall on the backs of the half of californians that actually pay state income tax since there is not likely private capital for this and federal monies are very suspect, i'd say the burden on taxpayers has a lot to do with hsr. and nobody is asking for sympathy for the top 20%, but then again people like to toss words like 'not paying their fair share' around a lot, and the facts are that the top whatever pay a very high percentage of taxes collected, and even more than they used to...and that in spite of warren buffet rhetoric, the average tax rate paid increases at every level as you go up in income...and that the percentage of people not paying any income tax has skyrocketed over the past couple of decades....none of which is necessarily bad policy, but the actual facts are not what you tend to hear in the press or from most politicos...much easier to point fingers than it is to talk about what will really fix the problem...
Tom July 12, 2012 at 01:47 pm
Steve, my point is we should be loking at CBO number because both parties agree that this is the official source. Look at the first table and combine the last two bars to see who now pay the burden of income tax. This of course is a federal chart and although a few have decided to leave the country for lower taxes the real concern is at a state level. We are already the worst state to do business with accoding to a pretty large nationwide survey by money magazine. We are about to get worse.
Tom July 12, 2012 at 01:55 pm
Do voters understand the relationship between a good business climate and their own lives when they go the the ballot?
CEO Magazine: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/02/business/la-fi-mo-california-worst-state-20120502 CNBC: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46413845
Tom July 12, 2012 at 02:14 pm
@C5 HSR is about bad fiscal policy just as taxation and business climate is. Our country and state are in a very large mess. Both parties are to blame but so are we voters because we stand by and allow it.
mcc-dad July 16, 2012 at 05:31 am
Drove the I-5 today to and fro LA... having a hard time imagining ridership for the Bakersfield - Fresno stretch...
Andrew L. July 16, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Friday, 3:30 p.m. -- Leave downtown L.A. to get to LAX in time for 5:45 flight to SFO.
Flight delayed until 9:00 p.m. due to fog at SFO. Arrive at Orinda BART at midnight. Would've gladly taken the train had there been one.
Tom July 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm
There are many thousands of commuters that fly every week to and from so cal (me included) every week. Where is the survey data on what it would take to convert a percentage of these same commuters to rail service? This target demographic is easy to identify and compare expected service levels vs this project. Of course that would involve sound fiscal policy and of course our state has no history of this.
Regular Guy July 16, 2012 at 01:37 pm
Andrew, you really ought to fly to and from Oakland, not SFO. OAK is virtually immune to fog delays.
There are plenty of domestic flights from OAK. The AirBart bus is $3 and reasonably frequent, so you can still take BART.
Andrew L. July 16, 2012 at 01:58 pm
Yes, will definitely fly in and and out of OAK next time.
Tom July 16, 2012 at 02:00 pm
The only flight from SNA to OAK that is delayed on a regular basis is SWA 2PM Friday flight. That is because it comes from SFO to SNA. SWA is a VERY reliable carrier for inter california travel. Good luck with the government beating them UNLESS they tax them ouf of the state.
Mark Meuser July 16, 2012 at 03:02 pm
Andrew, I too have experienced flight delays coming into and out of SFO. I have enough flight delay stories that I could probably write a book. If you fly a lot, some interesting stories occur.
Just today I was on BART and the train broke down. They had to turn the whole train off and reboot the systems. We ended up arriving about 15 minutes later then we originally were supposed to arrive. I guess the moral of the story is, if you are dependent upon other businesses or public transportation to get you from point A to B, be prepared that things may not always go according to plan.
mcc-dad July 16, 2012 at 03:44 pm
I take the OAK-LAX/BUR/LGB/SNA flight a lot. As a reference point, a bullet train in Japan from Tokyo to Osaka is about 300 miles, and takes 2hr 40min-comparable distance between SF/OAK and LA. I've ridden that bullet train route countless times. I definitely would take the train over the airplane, if it ever became available. However, IMO Bakersfield to Fresno probably won't help the cause.
Andrew L. July 16, 2012 at 03:46 pm
"I guess the moral of the story is, if you are dependent upon other businesses or public transportation to get you from point A to B, be prepared that things may not always go according to plan."
Agreed. And this will always be the case unless one walks. What I would like to see, if not HSR, is at least an awareness that having more viable transportation alternatives available to Californians should be considered a positive goal.
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